Troubleshooting Revit EAM Creation + Perception and Techniques Evaluation Points

As with every subtle program developed for knowledgeable utility, there’s a studying curve and various issues that may go improper. Among the issues come up from person error whereas others could be bugs or limitations throughout the utility.

This publish is deliberate to be a dwelling doc on issues that may go improper, and what to do about it, when creating the power evaluation mannequin (EAM) inside Revit, in addition to troubleshooting issues, additional downstream, inside Autodesk Perception and Revit Techniques Evaluation instruments and workflows.

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Whenever you run into points, contemplate the next. Additionally, you probably have gadgets so as to add to this checklist, please share!

Be aware: a lot of the issues listed under apply to each Perception and Techniques Evaluation as they each use the identical Revit mannequin, properties, and inputs/power settings.


Remember to assessment analytical areas and surfaces. I like to recommend having a separate Revit view for each (Perception solely creates a view for Areas). If you happen to do not assessment this fastidiously, you would be sending rubbish to Perception (bear in mind: rubbish in, rubbish out).

Coaching is crucial. Like utilizing Revit, should you go it alone you’ll seemingly not have a profitable expertise.


What to do while you ship a mannequin to Perception and obtain a ‘failed run’ e-mail.

Failed run e-mail – Giant coordinates

  • Be sure that venture base level and survey factors are shut the the origin
  • Be sure that the coordinate values aren’t giant numbers
  • Use reset shared coordinates in newer variations of Revit
  • Doubtless want to do that in copy of mannequin to keep away from messing up working mannequin

Failed destroy e-mail – Revit materials points

  • Can occur when utilizing “detailed gadgets” in power settings dialog
  • It is a DOE2 error
  • Sure supplies can’t be too thick (e.g. sheet wall materials can’t be 2′ thick)
  • Troubleshoot, uncheck “detailed gadgets”
  • Tip, thermal belongings could also be deleted from venture

Failed Run e-mail – Power Settings

  • If the constructing is narrower than the Perimeter Zone Depth, the EAM can be created, however will error out when despatched to Perception. Resolution: set the perimeter Zone Depth to Zero within the Power Settings dialog.


For a profitable EAM, the Revit mannequin should be created “per manufacture’s suggestions” or how components had been supposed for use.

Modeling issues

Thermal zoning

  • When inside partitions exist, flip of perimeter zoning (i.e. set depth to 0′-0″)
  • Attributable to room separation strains
    • Tip: use a filter, in a QA/QC view, to make these strains stand out (will assist with Revit efficiency too, by deleting pointless strains)

Areas not being outlined

  • Attempt including a wall in center of space to see if EAM area is partially created
    • Begin shifting wall to slender down the place situation is
  • Add mass factor in space with drawback
    • A mass could be simply added to a selected space/room the place EAM area shouldn’t be created
    • This may choose up curtain wall glazing
    • And, outline an area (mode should be set to “use components and massing)

Lacking climate stations

  • Will need to have accepted Perception EULA (prompted when producing first Perception run from Revit)
  • Will need to have Perception checked in Autodesk portal
  • FYI: Revit 2023 eliminated Revit inner checked and can at all times present climate stations
  • Lake|Flato continues to be having points with some customers not seeing climate stations (besides in 2023) which can be attributable to enterprise Home windows Defender (antivirus that works on the kernel stage) ??? Nonetheless engaged on this one.

Lacking Schematic Varieties (in Power Settings dialog)

Massing Various

For extra advanced Revit fashions with many onerous to vary points (e.g. a number of gadgets above) use this straightforward different earlier than losing an excessive amount of time attempting to make a Revit mannequin work. Nonetheless, in lots of instances, coaching workers on the potential issues can keep away from many of those situation on future tasks.

  • Begin new empty venture
  • Hyperlink in venture Revit mannequin (don’t set kind properties to room bounding)
  • Copy/paste curtainwall and roof components
    • Tab in to repeat straight through linked mannequin
    • Solely copy roofs with overhangs (for shade surfaces)
    • Use curtain wall so as to add glazing manually, anyplace “window” households have been used
  • Create power mannequin
    • Remember to embody perimeter thermal zoning


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